Using Fing as a time clock

Jd45390Jd45390 Member, Beta Tester Posts: 4
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I have a small company and my workers come to my office to clock in. (I dont have an actual time card machine... I'm generally there, but sometimes I'm away from the office.... so I have to trust them as to check in time). Sometimes there is a discrepancy between when they say they have arrived to work versus when they really have. Since they Define their phones to my Wi-Fi Fing automatically picks up the moment that they arrived and the moment they depart.

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  • PoohPooh Member, Beta Tester Posts: 674
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    I'd be very careful about using this - if an employee has their phone set to airline mode, or with WiFi off, then it'll not show as being connected. In addition if they should do likewise before leaving (or even if their battery fails) then this again will prove to be problematic.

    Unsure where you live, but depending on your country, this may actually be unlawful.
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  • Carlo_from_FingCarlo_from_Fing Rome, ItalyAdministrator, Fing Team Posts: 247
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    This is definitely feasible with Fingbox and its DigitalPresence, assuming that beyond technical parts, you setup this as a company process, agreed by all employees.
    The case of Wi-Fi off could be also covered by Fingbox DigitalPresence, because most of smartphones are checking wifi once a while even when wifi is turned off, and Fingbox DigitalFence is able to detect them, even if with lower precision. So in case you use smartphones or company laptops as badges, it's something to be agreed with employees so they know how it works. Also viable option of hiding a break will be to leave the phone in the office.

    Back to technical points: combining Fingbox DigitalPresence with IFTTT and/or Zapier you can achieve any time clock use case you need.
    First step is to map in DigitalPresence the people.
    Then, with IFTTT: Fingbox presence to google sheet, applet already available and free for the user.
    https://ifttt.com/applets/RuHiZhYA-have-fingbox-record-a-presence-log-in-a-google-spreadsheet

    With Zapier you could create more complex triggers and not only to google sheets, but free tier on zapier has limits. E.g. Zapier allows even standard DB integrations, so you can store in relational database.
    https://zapier.com/apps/fing/integrations

    Security alerts: you could even create custom triggers on IFTTT or Zapier, similar to time clock ones, that apply at non work time, so that you can get SMS, call, mail alert in case of office access out of business hours.

    Carlo from Fing

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  • VioletChepilVioletChepil London, UKMember Posts: 2,471
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    Interesting discussion. Thanks @Carlo_from_Fing for explaining how this can be done on the technical side! 
    On the side of consent that would be the next thing to investigate @Jd45390
    I know that quite a few people are using the Fingbox to monitor family presence. I.e. did kids get off the bus and home from school OK and did everything happen as expected at home. Also, the comings and goings in the house are happening as normal. 

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  • GadgetVirtuosoGadgetVirtuoso Member Posts: 21
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    Presumably as a business you have an Active Directory domain and if so you could setup a simple signon script that writes to log file that says when they log into on off of their machines their machines. One of my previous employers did this as a security measure. We could lookup the login history of any machine in the company. It came in very handy for troubleshooting and security too.
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  • Carlo_from_FingCarlo_from_Fing Rome, ItalyAdministrator, Fing Team Posts: 247
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    This is definitely feasible with Fingbox and its DigitalPresence, assuming that beyond technical parts, you setup this as a company process, agreed by all employees.
    The case of Wi-Fi off could be also covered by Fingbox DigitalPresence, because most of smartphones are checking wifi once a while even when wifi is turned off, and Fingbox DigitalFence is able to detect them, even if with lower precision. So in case you use smartphones or company laptops as badges, it's something to be agreed with employees so they know how it works. Also viable option of hiding a break will be to leave the phone in the office.

    Back to technical points: combining Fingbox DigitalPresence with IFTTT and/or Zapier you can achieve any time clock use case you need.
    First step is to map in DigitalPresence the people.
    Then, with IFTTT: Fingbox presence to google sheet, applet already available and free for the user.
    https://ifttt.com/applets/RuHiZhYA-have-fingbox-record-a-presence-log-in-a-google-spreadsheet

    With Zapier you could create more complex triggers and not only to google sheets, but free tier on zapier has limits. E.g. Zapier allows even standard DB integrations, so you can store in relational database.
    https://zapier.com/apps/fing/integrations

    Security alerts: you could even create custom triggers on IFTTT or Zapier, similar to time clock ones, that apply only when office is closed. And in that case you could setup a SMS or Mail or call alert to your phone, so that any access to office out of work hours can be easily detected and reported.

    Carlo from Fing

    VioletChepil
  • MarcMarc Moderator, Beta Tester Posts: 2,201
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    @Carlo_from_Fing @Pooh , can you site the reference that if I turn off WiFi that it still communicates from time to time? That’s a new one for me and I tried googling it but came up short. Tnx!

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  • Jd45390Jd45390 Member, Beta Tester Posts: 4
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    Marc said:

    @Carlo_from_Fing @Pooh , can you site the reference that if I turn off WiFi that it still communicates from time to time? That’s a new one for me and I tried googling it but came up short. Tnx!

    Wow, I didn't realize there were three choices - On, Off, and advanced scanning
    https://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Guides/Disable-WiFi-scanning-to-extend-battery-life-for-Android
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  • Carlo_from_FingCarlo_from_Fing Rome, ItalyAdministrator, Fing Team Posts: 247
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    Yes, Wi-Fi scanning but not only: also location services use it a lot.
    In our experience (with Digital Fence testing) Android devices are doing this quite a lot, while iPhones are not doing or using randomised MAC's so stealth.

    Carlo from Fing

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  • MDavideMDavide Member Posts: 51
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    My two cents.

    I tried to use this feature to check when kids go in/out from home [yes: they know it ].

    My trouble has been mainly the timelapse  before considering the change of status as a real one.

    There is a delay, which is automatically set but can be customized in Fing App's settings, to declare a device in/out of the network.

    I understood that this auto-delay is someway variable but clever, I supposed based on the average of wifi pollings  played by the device.

    For example: now for the Android phone of my son is 23 minutes, while for my iphone is 20 minutes.

    For Xbox is 17 minutes while for my smart TV is 5 minutes (all "auto")

    When you write the time on the  spreadsheet, it includes the delay, e.g:

    Out of my house @ 17:00  -> registered @ 17:23 for my son and 17:20 for me 

    If for my purposes this could be accettable, I wonder if it could be the same for a business related usage.

    Maybe @Carlo_from_Fing can suggest a better setup ?

    I tried to play customizing this value but if you shorten it too much you get false "out-of-the-net" spreadsheet rows; a solution could be to differentiate the delay between in and out, but I think it would make things too complicate for common purposes.

    Cheers,  

    Davide
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  • Carlo_from_FingCarlo_from_Fing Rome, ItalyAdministrator, Fing Team Posts: 247
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    Ciao @MDavide
    First of all about timeouts: yes, Fingbox has a self-learning threshold for timeout that is very helpful for personal devices that perform power optimization to reduce battery usage, thus often disabling Wi-Fi when not in active use. We strongly suggest not to change those, unless you see that with your tuning the device state is not flapping. When timeout is auto, Fingbox is automatically detecting when it flaps often and increases it.

    Back to original question: just tried the IFTTT applet I linked above: https://ifttt.com/applets/RuHiZhYA-have-fingbox-record-a-presence-log-in-a-google-spreadsheet
    The log happens after automatic timeout expires, but the date is w/o counting the timeout, so very sharp.
    Configured the applet as follows: Any user on my Fingbox.




    Then I got email at 20:16 telling me I went out at 20:06 (10 min timeout for my Huawei).
    In my presence log I could find the correct time, w/o timeout.
    The 4th column btw is the number of minutes the device was present on the network.


    Carlo from Fing

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  • Jd45390Jd45390 Member, Beta Tester Posts: 4
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    Marc said:

    @Carlo_from_Fing @Pooh , can you site the reference that if I turn off WiFi that it still communicates from time to time? That’s a new one for me and I tried googling it but came up short. Tnx!

    Wow, I didn't realize there were three choices - On, Off, and Advanced Scanning... 
    https://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Guides/Disable-WiFi-scanning-to-extend-battery-life-for-Android

    VioletChepil
  • MDavideMDavide Member Posts: 51
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    edited September 2019

    Crazy bandwith issue.

    Double post, sorry.

    Davide
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  • MDavideMDavide Member Posts: 51
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    Thank you @Carlo_from_Fing for the feedback. I am pretty sure that when I made some tests in January the delay was included, but I might be mistaken.
    I still have my trigger on,  so I can quickly double check it:

    and I can confirm that you are fully right now.
    Ah, yes: this was quite a lazy morning ,  I left my house @ 8:20 today :-)
    Davide
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  • Carlo_from_FingCarlo_from_Fing Rome, ItalyAdministrator, Fing Team Posts: 247
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    Perfect, thanks for crosscheck Davide

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